So Matt, I always used to find it really hard, this sort of thing talking about heaven. And I just, I just couldn't comprehend it. And I kind of imagined all of this sort of, you know, clouds and harps, and all that kind of stuff. And I just thought, it doesn't really sound that great. And I'm supposed to be getting really excited about this. And I'm supposed to, you know, be really sort of looking forward to this and it and it doesn't sound that great. And then I kind of spoke to someone who was a little bit more real about it and kind of said, what, you know, imagine what would be your sort of best day on earth, what would be the best thing that you enjoy doing and people that you enjoy spending it with? Imagine? It's a million times better than that. Imagine this world as it was meant to be, this world without pain, this world without suffering. And, and that that kind of really helped me understand a lot more about heaven.
Yeah, it's a big one, isn't it? How do you think about eternity? How do you think about heaven? What is that? Because you know, the way it is portrayed a little bit in some of, you know, some of the, the ideology that we have it doesn't, you can be honest, isn't sound interesting, do you know what I mean? It's kind of like, why is there any fun? And so you then get all these sort of statements, don't you - hell is going to be a lot more fun than heaven and stuff like that? And you kind of think we've missed the picture. If that's the way we end up thinking, we've misunderstood something somewhere.
And we've we've actually misunderstood the key heart of God and what God is like, if we think that God's the sort of the boring one and the one that doesn't want us to have any fun and all that, you know, we've we've completely misunderstood who God is, if that's what we think.
Yeah, absolutely. No, we totally have. And so, I mean, I read a few of the verses, you know, like Jesus talks about abundant life. Well, that's, that's in heaven as it is on Earth. Right. And, you know, Jesus talked about when we, when we pray, pray, God's Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. In other words, Heaven is much better, and we're trying to get what's there down on earth with our prayers. And I think that scripture we read in revelations about there's just no more pain, there's no more tears, there's no more struggle, there's no more suffering.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Nicholas, put in the comments, I'm looking forward to having a body that's healed. And that that's massive, isn't it? When you're, if you're someone that deals with sickness and pain in your life, then to kind of know that there is a time when that won't be the case is amazing. And
This is a massive one, because we talk about the topic of feeling quite a lot. And we believe, as a church, we believe as a group of Christians that actually when we pray, God can heal us. And we still believe that God does do miraculous healings. But we know that people still live with pain for many years, despite many prayers, you know, and there is this real split going on. But like you're saying, as Nicholas said, ultimately, irrespective of what happens here on Earth, there will be a day when the pain stops. And I love that analogy of sliding down the streets, in your socks, in the streets of heaven, just for people that couldn't walk, you know, and they're going to be able to do all these kind of crazy things. And so sometimes it happens, you know, we pray and we see the miracles here. But just because we don't see them here, doesn't mean they're not gonna eventually happen.
Yeah, yeah, I think I, you know, I've talked a lot about my mum dying young, and when she had a lot of lung problems, and so found it difficult to breathe. And as she was walking, I just imagined her sort of running in heaven and like being free to be able to do those things that she couldn't, she couldn't do here, which is pretty amazing. She was really really unmusical. But she always wanted, always wanted to play the cello, a dream of hers, but she was like really kind of musical. She couldn't even clap in time and things like that. And I imagine I imagine how with this kind of ability, you know, this kind of God given ability to just play on the cello and kind of, you know, just things like that. Just really helped me to kind of put into perspective It might actually be like, I wrote down a quote, actually, by an author that I really liked called Paul Young. And he says, Earth has no sorrow that heaven cannot heal.
I really like that. That's a great quote. And when you said you've got a quote there by an author, Paul Young, I have to be on may be showing my age. I was thinking of the singer - wherever I lay my hat.
I think it's a really fascinating one, I think Heaven is just is more than just a comfort for those that have lost someone. I mean, it's it is a great comfort, you know, I had to take my uncle's funeral last year. And that's a tricky thing to do, you know. And you talk about the hope of the resurrection, you talk about the hope of heaven. And, and, you know, we talked about how he was, he was a big football fan, Sheffield United fan. And there's this beautiful passage in Hebrews, it talks about how in heaven, we have this great cloud of witnesses, it talks about this great cloud of witnesses which surrounds us. And the picture it uses is kind of like the Coliseum, you know, where you're doing all these races and athletic things on the floor. And, and the guys in the stand and a woman in the stand and the angels and everybody they're all just cheering you on like yes, you can do this, you've got this. And this is beautiful analogy in it, I can just see my uncle in those stands, you know, like he was at a football match, I can see him in those stands. And Heaven is a beautiful thing to think about when you have to when you think about loved ones and lost ones. But I know I'm heading there. It's like I said in the talk, sometimes I forget that. And sometimes I forget that I am an eternal being sometimes I'm so focused on here and now that I forget that actually this glorious eternity awaits. And
It's a massive challenge when when life is so busy, and you know, we're we're really just constantly from all sides thinking about different things, it is hard to keep in that perspective. I think also, we need to kind of make the point that we're not saying that you shouldn't feel sorrow, or you know, you shouldn't kind of feel it, of course, it's horrible to be sick, it's horrible to be to live with a chronic illness to lose family and friends, those things are awful. And God isn't sort of saying, Oh, you know, don't worry, it'll be fine. And it you know, he has compassion, he, Jesus Himself went through much sorrow in his life. And, and he's with us in that and he understands that, and that's being human, that is absolutely fine. But having that hope, makes it I don't know if say more bearable, but certainly it helps.
Yeah, I totally agree. It totally helps. You're right, and I hope brought this out in the talk, there's this real dichotomy between life now, which is both good and struggle, and it's this real, you know, constant challenge. We need faith and we need courage and, and all these things to make it through and, and, you know, God answers prayer. But sometimes we've got to, we wrestle with things. For a while, God doesn't always you know, Zap us, here and there's this there is this tension. But on the other side of that there is this Heaven, that we have to look forward to this hopeless eternity. And it's great. It is fantastic. What's Nicholas put here? But in the pain, I get to witness to people in the same place, and yeah, that's true, actually. And this was so so Nicolas, put in the comments here about the fact that she is in pain, sometimes she struggles, but in that, she gets to do amazing things. And, you know, this is what we talked about in that passage where the disciples, you know, they were sort of rejected and cut, cut off by their people, by the Jews, the Jewish leaders, they were beaten in the synagogues. And I mean, all kinds of bad things happened. But in the midst of that, it talked about how they would stand before kings and even in the midst of all this horror and tragedy, God was still able to make something good come out of it, I don't think for one minute God caused the horror and the tragedy, but I do think that in the midst of it, something quite extraordinary happened and they got stand before kings. And, and that was one of the questions you know, maybe God's got some kings for us to stand before I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But it's, it's it's a fascinating one
I'm still I'm still waiting for Nicholas important question of the day. So if you could put that in the comments for us, please, Nicola so that we can, we can discuss that before we need move on. I'm sure it's really sure it's really important. But no you're right.
I'm sure it's a real deep thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, while she's busy typing that. Can I talk so quickly about Table Talk? Something we calling Table Talk? Yeah. So all we want to do is bring back a little bit this idea that we had a few minutes ago, something between Sunday, this idea of thinking about some specific questions based around the talk and talking about those questions around the table, like sitting down after the service, or at some point during the week with your friends with your family, or on zoom or whatever and asking a simple question. What do you think about heaven? What what kind of ideas do you have about heaven? What do we understand by Heaven? And just thinking that through? What do we think about this idea that life here on earth is a bit of a struggle? So what we're going to do is we're going to take these tabletop questions, and we're going to put them on Instagram, and Facebook will put them on social media. And you can have a conversation about those. And then at some point, during the week, there'll be a video where one of us also talks about those questions just brings our answers. So just keep an eye on that from social media. Now we've done that little notice.
Thanks, Matt. Now on to more important things. Yeah. Is a hot dog, a sandwich? This is a very important question. And I want to say no, say no, because I don't I don't want it to be a sandwich. I don't like the idea of it being a sandwich. So no.
Well, I don't think it's a sandwich because a hotdogs in a bun. And a sandwich is bread.
So if you had a role with ham in it it would that not be a
That's a ham roll.
So sandwich can only be a sandwich because it's slices of bread?
No, someone's about to catch me out
What about baguettes with steak in it? Is that a sandwich?
sandwich when you? Huh?
Yeah, you would? Oh, I guess I'm still gonna say you see, Gemma Orange just said the same thing sandwiches sliced bread?