09: Higher Heights, Deeper Seas

What's the Story

20 Oct

Today’s Guest: Malcolm & Trish Morgan

Malcolm & Trish Morgan have spent their lives working for the church and Christian organisations, which includes a full-time band. They have lived all over the world, including South Africa, Northern Ireland, Greece, and the UK.

Malcolm is now the senior pastor of St. Andrews in Bath. And Trish's recently written a book called “Higher Heights, Deeper Seas” recounting some of their incredible faith journeys. They have been married for 38 years and have two kids and four grandkids.

Here’s a summary of this week’s story:

Malc & Trish Morgan share the story of their amazing journey as followers of Christ. Although Malc & Trish had very different childhoods and upbringing, they both discovered their faith in Christ as young people. They met while at Uni and got married a few years later.
Having a life of adventure with Christ had been their desire right from the start of their journey as husband and wife. And they devoted themselves to serving God and serving the community every opportunity that they got. They were catalysts for change and pioneered several areas of ministry. The seeds that God planted through them in people’s lives bore fruits for many years to come and still does today.
“There is more. There's higher heights and deeper seas for us to have. Don't settle for too little. Don't settle for the status quo. Everybody tends to like the comfort zone. All I can say for me and for Malc is that God has been there for us. He has matched every step that we've taken and then taken us further and blessed us and looked after us and helped us”, says Trish.

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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to, What's the story? My name is Matt Edmundson and this is a podcast full of stories about faith and courage from everyday people. And today I am chatting to, the beautiful, the talented, the all round amazing people, which are Malcolm, Trish, Morgan. Uh, we're gonna be talking about higher heights, deeper seas.
Living in Northern Ireland, Greece, Liverpool, everywhere on the planet basically. But before we get into that with Malc and Trish, let me explain to you that this episode is brought to you by Crowd Church, which is an online church, and you can check out a whole bunch of live streams. Uh, from online Alphas to questions like, what does the Bible say about suffering to the Christmas episode that Malc and Trish did for us on Crowd Church a few years ago.
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Totally free, and it's totally amazing. Now, uh, Malcolm, Trish, uh, before I read your bio, one thing that I do want to do, cause it says here in my notes, let's give a shout out. Uh, and I said to you guys, uh, before we started recording, who do you want to give a shout out to? And you guys said, CDU and why are we giving those?
Uh, well those Karam is a person. None of those, I'm thinking of Karam and Liz, who are a beautiful couple, why are we giving them a shout out? Karam
Malcolm Morgan: just got his citizenship to come to UK Citizen, who's a refugee from Syria and arrived a few years ago in Britain, has now got his citizenship.
Trish Morgan: That's nine years Syria to now.
Yeah. Congrats Karam.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Stoke for you, man. I remember being at their wedding, uh, a while ago. It was a while ago. Now, uh, they've got, uh, I mean, , it's great that they've got the citizenship and in fact, let's do this. The Steve Wright thing we talked about before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bigger. We're so pleased you Karam so, uh, us Awesome man.
So guys, listen, welcome to the podcast. Let me read your bio, right, Sincere that. And TR Morgan are a couple who have spent their lives working for the church and Christian organizations, which includes. a fulltime band, uh, which we might want to get into that. Uh, you've lived all over the world, like I mentioned, including South Africa, Northern Ireland, Greece, and the uk.
Uh, Malcolm is now the senior pastor of St. Andrews in Bath, Not Bath, Bath. We were debating that. Uh, and Trisha's recently written a book recounting some of her incredible, some of their incredible faith journals. This is the book. Uh, higher heights and deep Seas. We're gonna get into that. There's one particular thing which I've underlined definitely want to get into that, uh, you can get that on Amazon.
You guys have been married, if the notes are correct for 38 years. Have two kids and four grandkids, so welcome to What's the Story. It's great to have you here guys. Really psyched. Great. Thanks Matt. Good to be with you. Yeah, it's great. Have you, I was trying to think earlier on, like how long I've known you, and it must be when you guys moved to Liverpool that we met.
Malcolm Morgan: 2013.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, 2013. Is that when you Oh, geez.
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah. Nine years. Nine years.
Matt Edmundson: It, goes by quick, doesn't it? It really does go by quick. So nine years. Uh, but you guys aren't in Liverpool anymore. You are in, like we said in the intro, you are in Bath now, right? Uh, uh, bickering, Pastoring a church in
Malcolm Morgan: Bath.
Yeah, I'm the senior associate minister of an Anglican church, uh, called St. Andrews, um, on the edge of bath and a brilliant bunch of people and enjoying every minute of it. Now, did you mount grow up saying bath or is this something you're doing to fit in with the locals?
No, down south we say bath. I've been a welshman, You know, I'm down south its Bath,
Matt Edmundson: and Trisha, You, Bath, or both? Uh,
Trish Morgan: I'm not sure actually, but probably these days. Bath more. Grass. Grass, grass, , you know, potato. Potato. All of that. Potato. Potato.
Matt Edmundson: For anybody outside of the UK listening into the podcast, why are we pronouncing words that are the same? Slightly differently? There is a split in the uk there's a north divide split on how you pronounce certain.
Words, Bath being one of them, which is a beautiful town in the uk. And if you're from south, from you're from the south, or more southern you tend to say bath. Whereas if you are more northern, you tend to say bath or grass rather than grass. And so that's why we're just picking upon regional accents. But, uh, you're from Wales, right?
You're not even, It is, You're not even north or south. You're Welsh.
Malcolm Morgan: I'm Welsh. Um, Left Wales many, many years ago. Yeah. brought up First 18 years in Wales. Uh, yeah. Long time ago. Left there. Had, uh, never returned.
Matt Edmundson: Still got the accent though, right?
Yeah. Can't get rid of it. Tried my
best. I like it. It's nice. Oh, it's, it's awesome.
It is properly awesome. It's one of my favorite accents the Welsh accent, so don't ever lose it. Uh, it's uh, it is brilliant. So guys, great to have you here now. Um. One of the things I like to ask on what's the story is about your sort of faith journey in terms of how you came to faith, right? And I know you both have quite different stories cuz we did the pre-cal and we chatted through it.
Um, but you, you both have quite different stories, right? So who wants to go first out, the two of you? Yeah, go.
Malcolm Morgan: I'll go first. In Wales, I was brought up, um, being sent to church by my parents. My parents were religious and it was the duty to, to be sent to church every Sunday in a suit and tie the whole picture.
And I hated it. From the age of five on was to 15. We were sent every week to represent the family. The church we went to in Wales was dead there, really about 12 people in it scattered throughout a big building. Um, it. It didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Got so bad once actually, but that, um, I fainted in church one Sunday.
I literally fainted. I could find out the primary head teacher driven home. Best thing that happened to me. In fact, it was so good. I fainted the next three weeks running.
Matt Edmundson: You, you, you'd figured. So the first faint was genuine. The second three were fake,
Malcolm Morgan: were were fake. He and my dad basically laid hands on me and I got healed immediately.
But it, I was 15. I was given the choice to leave if I wanted to, and I did. And vowed never to enter a church door again. Wow. At the age of 15 it was dead. There was no like, Yeah.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah. So what happened? What happened then? Then? Because obviously, I mean, you are leading a church now, so something obviously happened in between.
Right.
Malcolm Morgan: I went to university and got saved at university. Met some friends when you first started university rounding groups. And there was about 10 of us in a group and two of them were Christians. Okay. And ones, one mentioned that I started spouting off and making fun of them. And basically they questioned me on that and got me talking about why and.
Yeah. Over a period of number of weeks, they introduced me to Jesus. I'd never heard the story of Jesus about salvation when I was going to church all those years. And, um, they introduced me to Jesus. I discovered it for myself. And that was, uh, the style of totally different lifestyle.
Matt Edmundson: Wow. Wow. That's crazy.
You can go to church all those years and never actually hear the gospel or the story of Christ. You know, I
Malcolm Morgan: look back and the only preach I remember was, um, a vicar coming and he spoke about Dr. Christian Barnard's first heart operation and talking about whose heart was it? That's the only preach I remember in all those years, crazy.
Matt Edmundson: Wow. Wow, wow, wow. So you go to uni, you meet up with some Christian friends and they basically suck you in over a period of time. Yeah.
Malcolm Morgan: They opened the Bible to me. I'd never read the Bible, Bible written like that. Um, and over a period of three months, got me talking about Jesus and who he was and why he died.
And it was all new to me. I had no idea
Matt Edmundson: so, um, so what was it that made you, um, I'm curious because you, you became a Christian sort of similar age that I did by the sounds of things. And so what was it then at that age that sort of drew you into going, Yes, this is real. Yes, this makes sense for me. , Um,
Malcolm Morgan: I guess it was my, again, you know, you're 19 years of age, you're looking at life and what it's all about.
And the way the introducer was so good, it, it wasn't pushed to me, but we talked about issues and talked about who Jesus was and, and why he came and died. And it suddenly clicked, all made sense, and um, is only a short step then for me to say, Right, I'm committing to this. And it started my faith journey
Matt Edmundson: off.
Wow. Fantastic. Fantastic. I think you're right. There is a point, isn't there, where you are faced with that truth, where you are and you kind of decide, well, if this is real, I need to do something about it. I can't just, I can't just say it's true and then not do anything about it. Right? You're kind of confronted with this a little bit.
Uh, and so that's, and that was,
Malcolm Morgan: and you know, the old story of the, you know, what, if you step out tonight in front of a bus, where would you go? And I think that was one the questions I was asked. And as I realized, That. Yeah, I can't put off making decision. It's. , you either choose or not, so. Mm-hmm. .
Matt Edmundson: yeah. It's interesting how that question worked for you.
For me, it used to really wind me up. . Well,
yeah,
it used to. What happens tonight if you die? I don't know. Leave me alone. Stop asking me crazy questions like that. used to really wind me up. It made me think. Yeah, Yeah. No, that's good. So, Trish, what was your story then? Growing up?
Trish Morgan: Um, a very different one to Malc.
Um, I was raised in their Christian family. Um, my father was a minister of a church. Um, and so therefore I was taken along to church. Well, right from the very word go, but I was about seven and I remember going to an evening service one week and they had a drama. And the drama, um, was very effective. In my opinion.
I was only seven, but I realized at the end of the drama that I wanted to make a commitment to Jesus. So I went forward with an elderly man. He also went forward, um, and we sort of made a commitment to, to become a Christian. And I think at seven you are young and you just carry on living life, don't you?
And being raised in a Christian family. And it really wasn't until I got into my teens that I started to. Think one more time about why I believed, why I believed it. Asked my parents some really difficult questions, um, but came to that conclusion. You know what? There were certain things I couldn't get away from.
Mm-hmm. , I believed in, um, the stories in the Bible. I could believe the archeology proved some of the things that the Bible was talking. And then it was just a decision as to either Jesus really was who he said he was, or he was an absolute nutter and we've all been totally deluded and, you know, that kind of thing.
So, um, I thought, you know, I, I'd see so much goodness in this person and, and, and the things that he did and the things that he said and the way he elevated women, particularly I was drawn to, and I thought, I can believe this. And I did, uh, when I became a teenager, and to be honest, I've never looked back.
Matt Edmundson: That's interesting, isn't it? I two very different sort of backgrounds, uh, in, in so that, How did you guys get together
Malcolm Morgan: at university? Um, Trish's brother was at university with me, began. Trish came on to visit him and Steve introduced us. Um, so yeah, that's where we
Matt Edmundson: first met. Okay. So was Trisha's brother one of the mates that led you to Christ, or was he just somebody you got to know?
Malcolm Morgan: He was one of the mates
who, um, then discipled me for the next few years more. He didn't lead me to the Lord at that time, but, um, we became good friends and he was, he discipled me really well. He, the next few years.
Matt Edmundson: So for the good folks listening that may not know, um, what you mean when you say he discipled me, just explain what that means.
Yeah.
Malcolm Morgan: Talk me through life following Jesus and what it means and how you live your life. Therefore, how you handle money, how you handle relationships, work the whole lot. You, um, it's a teaching about how to follow Jesus. Mm-hmm. ,
Trish Morgan: that's my older brother. I do also have to say was he might have discipled Malcolm for a while.
Um, that when Malcolm and I decided about a year, 18 months later to date my brother, Rather concerned. And he took me to one side and he started to tell me all the bad things that Malcolm
Malcolm Morgan: like, Great friend, great friend,
Trish Morgan: you wanna date him. He's very unreliable. And he started telling me story of the time that Malcolm had, you know, stood a girl up at a cinema and not turned up and all that.
And there, and he had this private conversation with me and that was in the other room. And I left. I said to my big brother, Thanks very much for that Steve. I said, but I think I'm quite fancy him, so if it's all right with you, I'd like to see where this goes. And the walk back into the room, he's a bit nervous and he's saying, What did he say?
What did he say? And I said, Him, if you ever stand me up me by, if you ever me up at this cinema,
Malcolm Morgan: there was a good reason that
Trish Morgan: we haven't got time's.
Matt Edmundson: That's just brilliant. Rather Well, Well here. Yeah, that's brilliant. And I, That was actually true. She answered my question. Cause I'm think. . Okay. So I'm think, cuz I have a daughter, Zoe, and I was thinking, well if Josh, um, Was discipling somebody at uni or Zach, you know, someone who just become a Christian and they met Zoe and decided to start dating Zoe.
I would expect my boys to take that guy aside and have a very strong conversation with them. And so I was curious to know if Steve did this, but it sounds like he didn't talk to you, Malcolm. He talked to Trish, tried to, Yeah, that's
Trish Morgan: right. But you know, Did, Did okay. All went full circle. Steven turned up, he was the best man in our wedding.
So .
So
Matt Edmundson: the best man's speech must have been brilliant. Well,
Malcolm Morgan: yeah, thank you. Yeah.
Trish Morgan: Tell that story. If you could take that bit out,
Matt Edmundson: there's fantastic. That's fantastic. So, ,
Malcolm Morgan: we were real at university. He knew my weaknesses and all the rest.
Matt Edmundson: Oh no, it's great, isn't it? And yeah, yeah, it's really coolness. And then I find, like at uni, I became lifelong friends at uni with a couple of.
We're still friends. In fact, I'm gonna go see one of them tomorrow down in London. Um, a guy called Tony who's been on the podcast, uh, his wife's actually been on, what's the story talking about dealing with cancer. He's been on Crowd Church, but we met at uni and we're still mates now. And there's something about this time isn't there at uni when you are young in your faith where getting around other Christian people just seems like the really smart thing to do and it, it brings these sort of lifelong friendships, Doesn't.
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah, and I think the discipleship that happens there, you at the same age as the last time where people are the same age together. Once you leave university, you go to
Matt Edmundson: jobs. Yeah. It's true last time that
Malcolm Morgan: age group is together and I think it's a brilliant time to disciple and, and get Jesus known, you know, some of the university work fusion do at universities Superb.
Matt Edmundson: Really good point. So you guys meet at uni, you start dating, When did you get married?
Trish Morgan: Oh wow. Yeah, about three or four years later. After, because I was working in London. I was, I trained as nurse. Okay, so I was a nurse. He was training as a teacher. Um, and so we sort of, and then I traveled a lot and then I joined the band.
So it wasn't very easy. We weren't sort of, um, you know, um, in the same town around the corner from one another dating, we, we, we took, yeah, took quite a lot of time apart because traveling and, and things. So yeah. Good few years, probably about four from the first time that we met to the time that we finally got married
okay.
Matt Edmundson: And tell me about the band then.
Trish Morgan: Mm, the band were full-time, Christian band at that time. I mean, I loved music. I, um, I was happy to play wherever, whenever, um, but I just got this fantastic opportunity, um, to join a full-time, um, band and Christian band. They're called Heartbeat, and I joined them in the early eighties and I traveled all over the uk.
We played loads of different venues, um, you know, colleges, university schools, prisons, you name it. And churches, we did that too. Um, we recorded, we wrote songs. Um, and yeah, it was a fantastic training. Good foundational thing for me as a songwriting musician to. And at some point we got married and Mel joined a team as the first time, First non-musical member?
Non musical member. Yeah. . He became the youth worker. So at an MC event. So when we did events, Mel would be the mc, the youth worker. Um, and we, so we traveled together then for about six years, Was it six years? Wow. Oh.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, there we go. Well, so you early married couple, traveling around for six years doing the Christian music, youth worker stuff.
That must have been an absolute riot. Surely. It
Malcolm Morgan: was a great time. Some amazing stories, um, some incredible things we saw. We were based in Marnsbury in Wilshire. The team were there. We had our own homes. Um, we, people came and, and stopped diverse. There was shared homes, uh, but it was a brilliant time.
Trish Morgan: Very formative I think in terms of ministry for us even, you know, like we were late twenties, um, and you know, we then all started to have kids amongst us, so we.
We were quite like a community to be honest, within, um, we all went to different churches if you wanted to, but we didn't get much time because we were constantly on the road, constantly at churches leading their worship, um, that kind of thing. So we were quite forefront runners to the worship revolution that happened, you know, and, um, So mixing the contemporary rock music kind of thing to worship songs, which before there'd been a, a real, you know, a division between nice hymn-y songs.
And so we were, um, experimenting, I guess with the songs that we were writing and wanting it to be extremely modern and contemporary and writing songs that, that people could sing as well. A anthemic kind of stuff. So yeah. Um, fantastic experience. We saw, like Matt says, incredible things and we still meet people anywhere around the world and that's their lie, that walk up to us and goes, Can I ask you a question?
Did you used to be in a band called Heartbeat? And if you say Yes, then we hear this amazing story of what happened when they went to one of our concerts, how they got saved, how they, God did an amazing miracle in their lives, in their families, and. It's really exciting and it carries on this day . It's fantastic.
Matt Edmundson: That's, that's an amazing legacy, isn't it? That's, uh, in the church we like to use the analogy of seeds planted and Yeah. And you just never know when God's gonna bear fruit with those seeds, do you? And, and here you are.
Malcolm Morgan: It's very humbling as well to hear people's lives, lives 20 years later. Yeah. How influenced them at that time?
Yeah, that is, Yeah. Crazy. Just.
Matt Edmundson: Well, that must thrill you when you actually, when they come up and say things like that, you're just the hallmark as
Trish Morgan: Absolutely. I mean, to go full circle at present, we, uh, in the summer we, um, spent an evening around a couple's house at the new church that Malc is now the senior minister of, and the guy just offered the fact that, um, he became a Christian, one of our concerts in, um, in Bradford and Avon, and I never knew.
And, and now he's married, he's had kids. Um, you know, and I mean we're now fast forwarding about 30 odd years and you're thinking, Well, who knew ? That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, it is great. Absolutely fantastic.
Matt Edmundson: It's privilege. Yeah, it is. It's one of those things, isn't it? And you listen stories like that, it thrills you and you're really excited because you just.
When you do stuff, you don't always see God's hand at work at that point in time, do you? You, uh, whether it's doing a concert, whether it's writing a book, or doing a podcast or doing a sermon, you don't know. You can, you can see certain things, but what you see, I think is very limited compared to the eternal work that sometimes God's doing.
And here you are 20 years later meeting these people and you're just like, Oh my goodness. I just
Trish Morgan: really, And I think that's the, that's the most exciting thing. Having an adventure of faith in God is that you have no idea what God can plan and prepare and purpose for, for you. You just don't know. You couldn't write it if you tried.
Um, but God does have that and he does have that in mind. You know, that's what it says in the scripture. You believe that from the Jeremiah, the plans and purposes, he has to prosperous and give us a future and give us a hope, and that kind of thing is what God has. Uh, and will do. It's not still do listening back now, but just saying, Yeah, they were the good old days.
Well, actually we believe that we got a new story to tell today. We don't have to hark back to, oh, remember 40 years ago. It's great when we get the moment, but we can tell you story after story of stuff that's happened even now. You know, on
Malcolm Morgan: Sunday, um, retired minister was speaking at our church and he said how they opened a school up in Uganda.
And he was in the rural district and you know, they thought they were just helping A few poor were children. And he went back there recently and Scott speaking to an ex pupil who'd started a movement in the country, um, rebuilding a lot of the schools in the whole, in the whole country. And he says, What you don't realize is you were changing a nation.
What you did change the nation. We might never get to hear some of those, some of that fruit do hear, see that. But God did work and you've gotta believe that.
Matt Edmundson: Ah, it's incredible, isn't it? One of the things that's always, uh, inspired me about you two and I I do think you're a super inspiring couple, is this, , inability to rest on what happened yesterday.
Uh, and the, the desire to go, God, what have you got for today? And where do I need to be planning to be tomorrow? Right. Subject to me still being here. And you're kind of like, yes. You've, you've, you've always had that kind of drive, that kind of desire to see that. Where did that come from? Was that something you've had since day one of marriage?
Was it something that you've kind of had to fight for?
Malcolm Morgan: We've, we've always said, Let's make life an adventure with God and wherever we've been, we say, Okay, Lord, what do you want us to do here? And whatever it is we will say yes to. And for me it's, I, I like to belong to a church that says, Yes, we can help in, in the society doing this or helping the community doing that, whatever it is, I want us always to say, Yes, we can do that.
Mm. And I. What we've
Trish Morgan: always tried to do. I think over the years we've realized that part of, I think it's evolved, to be honest. You know, when we were young and married, we just got involved in anything and everything, but slowly but surely, I think. Um, what you can do well comes up to the top. So I think we're good.
We're catalyst for change. We come in and we ask questions, Why are we doing it like this? How can we do it better than what's already done? Um, or do we need to stop something and stop something brand new? We like to pioneer, um, be innovative in, in some areas. Um, and always try and make what we're trying to say, um, as accessible as possible.
No, hold back all the real religiosity stuff away from it and, and stop over complicating the good news of Jesus. It doesn't have to be so high brown highfaluting. It can be say, look, it is every. Accessible, this good news of Jesus. And so that's what we aim to do, isn't it? We try
Malcolm Morgan: and put in first Roman, isn't it?
Take your everyday ordinary lives. Yeah. And commit them to God.
Trish Morgan: Romans 12 from the message Bible.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, I was gonna say, which translations that .
Trish Morgan: That one's a brilliant
Matt Edmundson: version. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's, in fact, it's one of the, sort of the verses that Sharon and I have held on as a married couple be transformed by the ruining of your minds.
Right? And that whole, um, Uh, don't let this stuff weigh you down. Just keep going, keep pressing. I, you know, Paul's, I press on towards the goal of the upward call. I forget, which is past, and I press on and you read language like that. And we don't talk like that so much these days, do we? Uh, but it's, it's inspiring, but I am aware right?
Uh, that if I can draw some comparisons. You've got the Apostle Paul using language like that, uh, which is quite pioneering, uh, quite, Let's go take the hill kind of language. You are using language like we're good at being a catalyst for change. We're pioneering. How can I put this delicately? Not everybody appreciates that call on people.
Right? It's that phrase, isn't it? the Apostle Paul is probably not gonna be welcoming most Western churches if he was around today.
Malcolm Morgan: That's right. Yeah.
Matt Edmundson: So how have you, how have you dealt with that tension
that, cuz there must have been a tension, that call and that wrestle on your lives and actually the reaction of people on occasion.
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah.
I
think we just want to belong to a church that's relevant in the community And I think a lot of churches have become irrelevant.
Um, you know,
they have no part almost to play in the community anymore.
And that angers us. Mm-hmm. . So yeah, we get misunderstood. We get, um, some criticism, but for me, for the joy set before. You can do it. So
Trish Morgan: I, I called bus earlier on this morning and this bus driver was in full flow. He was waiting to be changed over and he was standing there at the platform of the bus and he was just talking about his schedule for the day.
And so I was asking him questions and so I didn't realize that you went on a different route. Now I thought you stayed in the same No, no. I've now got to get a different, Bus and you know, and later on he was going, Guy said, I think you've got a few things you wanna get off your chest, dude, cuz he was really going for it.
And he said, Well, to be honest, he said, it's the passengers. And when they keep ringing that bell and then we were laughing and I said, I said, Buses would be great to drive, wouldn't they if you didn't have passengers and churches would be great to run if you didn't have people. But the. We are very human and it's full of people and yeah, it's not easy, especially when they know somebody new's coming in and straight away people thinking, Oh, don't we touch this?
This is what I do. And it's, it's worked. And quite honestly, it's worked well. It, we keep it. We don't go in and go, That's rubbish. We're gonna scrap everything. You know, like some politicians we could think of as late. We, we come in, we, we wait to see what works. We all know what works and the people working in it.
We don't change things for the sake of change, but then we think. Actually having looked how that works, I think we can actually improve on that and do this a bit better. Mm. Um, so I think it is managing people, managing the expectations, um, trying to make people feel there is functional role for them, but in places where they're gonna shine best.
Yeah. So, you know, there's, we all know that when you go into some places you think, and you know what, you are a. Pagan around hole there, that is not working for anybody at all, you or the others. So let's see if we can fit you somewhere else where it does work and where you can shine and where things can be better.
So that's the difficulty, Matt. I think sometimes, and it's how we've done that over the years. Um, maybe we've made some mistakes Oh, yeah. Over the years on, in, in attempting that. But we do believe in transitioning and transformation and in doing that, sometimes no pain, no gain.
Matt Edmundson: Mm. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, well done.
Uh, so let's talk about then some of the challenges that you guys are, I mean, you've had to deal obviously with people. This often said that, you know, without people there wouldn't be problems. Um, like you said, the, the passengers on the bus. I love that analogy. Uh, so what are some of the big challenges that you have, you guys have faced as a couple in life and really curious how God brought you through those.
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah. Well, recently, for instance, um, we were working out in Greece. Spent seven years out there, um, building community, and then Brexit happens and totally throws a spanner in our, in our future, all of a sudden. When Brexit was signed, we could only spend three months at a time out in Greece, then three months in the uk, three months back out in Greece, and it totally messed up.
The whole purpose of what we were doing, doing there we did. And also, what was I gonna do now?
Trish Morgan: Covid. Covid was the worst. I mean, Brexit was the beginning. Beginning, but Covid completely stopped it because we found ourselves four months locked in either in Greece or in England. We took it in terms to be locked down in different nations.
Um, but two years of that. Plus Brexit just really pulled apart what we were trying to do moving forward. It took away the momentum to be
Malcolm Morgan: honest, and all of a sudden you're thinking, six months in England, what do I do at that time? I can't, You can't be part-time in Greece. And that's it. So, you know, it, it is, It meant change and we weren't sure what it meant.
And just over a year ago, we are back in the UK really praying about our future. What, what does it mean? Our time and greases come into an end? How do we manage that? And all of a sudden this job appears in, in Andrew's church, they're looking for a new minister. They'd advertised and hadn't appointed, and they were having to re advertise.
And then I got told about it and I just had a, a chat with the vicar of the, of the main church. And he said, Well, if you're the right person, we'll know that and I, and go for the job. And it opens up and think, okay. I, it wasn't what I would choose in Anglican Church, but you've opened up this door and I would say yes, and I'll go through it
Trish Morgan: and it provided us with a home cuz we don't own anything.
So we were renting in Greece and you know, um, you know, praise God this job comes with. House. And so therefore we've been provided now the house with the job. Um, and we can just see how in the natural, there were moments where we sat then going, Okay, so this work is, we cannot justify staying out in Greece and being supported and getting everybody around us.
And the, the refugee work was closing cuz the government had, um, made the camps, quarantine, you know, areas. It just was closing down we thought. You know, we can see it's closing down. What are we gonna do? Where are we gonna go? What's gonna happen? And you know, maybe if you, in your thirties, you just think, ah, something will.
Drop down. But when you are, you know, early, late fifties early, early sixties. Early sixties, that's a very different conversation to be having. Um, and, you know, to keep living like the way we have always chosen to live since we've married that we would trust God for our futures, for our finances, for, for whatever, um, was a big step for us.
And, and yet it dropped so well. Did the um, interview unanimously saying, Hey, you're the right person for this job. Great for St. Andrews, great for us. And it's just been a real blessing, hasn't
Malcolm Morgan: it? Yeah, yeah, Yeah. And I think it's, It's like Paul, he wanted to go one area and the Holy Spirit stopped him. Yeah.
And then next day he got a call in into Greece and sometimes you, you could say, Okay, this is what's opening. I'll go through this door and see what's on the inside. Yeah. And it's, it makes lives and adventure and that's what we've always done, doesn't it?
Trish Morgan: Yeah. It doesn't always go the way we want it to.
No.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah,
Trish Morgan: sometimes we've gone about it in a very convoluted way, but we get there like, life isn't linear, is it? It's not a straight, No, it's not. Here we go. It's a Ziggy zaggy and that's how life is for us as well. We're not any different to anybody else. We have our lows, we have our difficulties. Um, but we pull God into all of that and say, Help us.
And if we need to get help ourselves beyond asking the Lord, we'll ask for their help. Uh, because life isn't easy. Uh, it is challenging, but we just have to say, Okay, today's a new day. Let's see what we can make and, um, you know, adventure together on it.
Malcolm Morgan: You know, we, we've got twins and one of the biggest issues we had to make sure our twins were safe and happy.
When we moved, they moved with us and we had to make sure that they were well looked after as well. We didn't wanna lose our kids on our journey. We wanted them come with us on that adventure. And they did. And they, they were brilliant over the years. So
Trish Morgan: shout out to Aaron and Freya. We love you, Yeah, .
Matt Edmundson: Cool. So how did, um, that's a really interesting point, right?
So you guys, uh, have done the, you know, the moving around the church plants, the, the, the missionary work in Greece, the stuff with the refugees in Greece. We get time. We'll touch on that cause that's incredible. You do all this amazing stuff and yet in the middle of this, you've also got family. Right. Yeah. You've got the kids, you've got the grandkids.
How did you, the, I guess, how did, what were some of the intentional things that you did as parents to, to keep that family strong and, you know, how did you do that?
Malcolm Morgan: We were, yeah, we were in Lincoln. We were. Both working in the, you know, for the church. We were, I was an elder. I was looking obviously in the youth, the young adults, um, Trisha in the worship.
And one day our twins turned around to us and said, They're about seven or eight years old. You're not both going out again, are you Inly? And that made us stop. Mm. We realized that. They were beginning to suffer from the work we were doing. So we reevaluated, we stopped, and we took
Trish Morgan: one weekend a month where we just spent time with them as, as a family.
I didn't take any booking to travel. Uh, we didn't take any extra things ourselves. Uh, we had either stayed, you know, at home in Lincoln and we did Saturday a day out, or we'd do something on the Sunday. So we were home or we went away for the weekend. Um, we just wanted the kids to know that one weekend a month was family weekend, so that they knew that we weren't forever spending every minute of our day, um, with other people.
And for other things, I think they needed to know they were important to us and they were, they were our first primary concern that through everything that we did, um, our kids, we didn't put them off. Following Jesus is that
Malcolm Morgan: story where if you're in an office and your kid walks into your office, you turn away from your desk.
And you give them time first to show them than your work. Yeah. So we tried to, we've tried to put that,
Trish Morgan: yeah, we found care for the family, very helpful. Um, as we were, you know, bringing up our kids parenting, you know, Rob Parsons had some fantastic, um, things to mention about the 60 minute father and all of that.
Being present. And I think that's it, isn't it? It is giving your kids that, that that focus and attention and I guess maybe the lockdown made everybody reawaken one more time about family and Yeah. And children. And the time that you hadn't had that, you certainly had. When lockdown occurred. Um, and a lot of reevaluation went on there as well, didn't it?
But, so I don't know. We didn't get every decision right. But certainly on the big ones, I think we, we feel at peace with the cause that we've made over the years. And now our kids have grown up, they're married, got their own kids themselves, Little ones Chinese both
Malcolm Morgan: serving in, in their
Trish Morgan: churches. It is great.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it's good. And do you, do you do? I've, I mean, I've, my kids are not at the same sort of age, you know, I've, uh, um, but I'm, I don't think I'm that far off. . And you, and you kind of, I'm curious to know, right? You go from this phase of being parents to being grandparents. Um, what's that like, if you can describe it?
Trish Morgan: What the gap between or the phase, Like cuz we had nearly nine years when our kids had done uni, they win jobs. They'd find their life partners. That's why we looked at Greece because Greece for us was such a big ask. It was like wild to go into a culture where we didn't speak the language to begin with anyway.
Um, and do something very radical and see if. Start a missional community out in Greece because there was so little of that kind of thing. Um, but we had this opportunity of 7, 8, 9 years where our little, our kids didn't have little ones. And so therefore, you know, our kids were just getting on with life and growing up and, you know, they didn't need us around so much.
So we felt we had this winter of opportunity and I think a lot of people in their fifties and sixties can have that moment if they want, but they think, Hey, there's many more. For us in energy and our, why don't we do something? You know? And I know that there are ministries and charities aching to have people of maturity and wisdom go and say, We'll come and journey with you for couple of years, even if you don't do seven like we did, you know?
Um, So we took that and then slowly but surely towards the end of this, the first seven years we were there, our kids started to say, Hey, we're having a kid. We're having a, a little one. Um, that got hard because suddenly we wanted to be back in the uk. Yeah. More available for them, more available to be supportive.
And at the same time, um, you know, particularly my mom, she became, um, yeah, terminally ill. So obviously that really started to pull me back to the UK quite a. Um, so, you know, how do we manage it? It's seasons,
Malcolm Morgan: isn't it? Yeah. And you know, just love our grandchildren so much. The best thing ever, cuz you. Spend a day with them and you get lost in their world and the rest of the world.
All the issues, problems you forget about for the day.
Trish Morgan: Mm-hmm. , and there's such, there's so is a privilege to spend time with yet another generation coming through. They're only tinies right now. We've got four under four. But when you do the bedtime stories, here we go again. Let's get out the book. Let's get out the story book about Jesus and their little minds and hearts are just taking it all in.
Precious.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, I imagine it is. It must be quite fascinating watching your. Raise kids.
Trish Morgan: Yeah. Being parents, boy
Malcolm Morgan: and, and biting your lip at times. Thinking
Trish Morgan: Really? Yeah. You can't get them to sleep. ,
Matt Edmundson: There's that sound of my heartbreaking just for That's what that was. I always found, uh, I don't. Can't imagine your kids would be like this, but I, I always found that every generation of parents, newborn parents that I've come across feels like they know how to parent better than their parents and that their level of wisdom, understanding is so much further advanced.
Right? So when we had kids, um, you know, is very different obviously to when mum had me. I mean, technology was different and all that sort of stuff, and. I would, in my head, I'd be like, So therefore whatever advice gives me is obviously not relevant. 25 years later. I now sit back, uh, a few years after that and think what a plonker,
Malcolm Morgan: I think. I think today there's all these. Um, books available and advice. Right. It just
Trish Morgan: keeps changing all the time. Mm-hmm. Especially, you know, health visitors and that, and you think, well, you didn't do so bad, you know, when we were meeting you and everything else and, and now look. So yeah, it is different, but you know, it is learning to let them raise their own children.
We don't live close to our kids either, which is a bit of a shame at times, Especially during lockdown. It was awful. We were on our own in England. Um, nowhere near our children, but you know, we do get to see them far more than we would've done now. Yeah. Had this in Greece and that's a real blessing and that was something very deliberately and intentional that we've, um, done and wanted to happen.
Um, cuz they're not tiny-s forever.
Matt Edmundson: Mm-hmm. . No, that's very true. Very true. So, , you've obviously faced some whole massive challenges, and yet here you are, you're still going, your kids are still friends with you, you know, and you are obviously in love with your grandkids. I mean, by all. By all my measuring standards that, that, that equals success.
Right. And, and you, and you are, you've still got hearts for Christ, God's still doing great things through you. I, I everything just sort of checks and you look at that and go, That's, that's incredible. So if I could ask you to distill your, you know, I think every Christian has kind of one message, don't they?
That they sort of come back to time and time again, something that's dear and important to them. What would yours be? Would it be the same, Would you have slightly different ones between the two?
Malcolm Morgan: probably slightly different For me, I, I want to belong to a church that says yes to the opportunities in the community.
Mm. And if an opportunity comes up to serve a community in whatever capacity or a council, I want us to say, Yes, we can do that unless there's a very good reason not to. Mm-hmm. Because I want us to be involved in, in the community, in, in the city we're in. So for me, Just the church that likes
Trish Morgan: to say yes. I think that reflects in one or two of the stories you've got in the book.
Yeah. Especially the South Africa chapter, the 94.7 bike race where we said yes on one thing and it was just like a gift that kept on giving. It was incredible time of that. So there's, there's moments like that isn't there. I think for me it will be. What the book is saying, that there is more, There's higher heights, there's deep seas for us to have.
Don't settle for too little. Don't settle for the status quo. Everybody tends to like the comfort zone. We all like the comfort zone, but you know, when you start to step out of that comfort zone. All I can say for me and for Malc is that God has been there for us. He has, he has matched every step that we've taken and then taken us further and blessed us and, and looked after us and helped us.
No end. Um, and so therefore, I would say to people, you know, don't just sit, sit back and settle for the sake of settling. You know, um, some people just can live in the same house, do the same job, live in the same. For the rest of their lives. Okay, great. If that's what you really feel. Meanwhile, you can affect your neighborhood and make a difference, That's fine.
And not everybody can do what we've done. But at the end of the day, I do think if you, if you know God and you wanna follow him, you wanna be obedient. I'm pretty sure God's saying there's an adventure for you to have. You've just gotta, trust me, you gotta obey me and you gotta take those risks and the ones of faith.
Yeah. And he wont let you down.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Love that. Cause they say often, don't they, that faith is spelled r i s k or is it Ram risk is spelled f i a t h. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think it's a, it's a brilliant, um, it's, it's a brilliant thing to say. I guess a question for you, Malcolm then, uh, you wanna be part of a church that says yes.
Yeah. I grew up in a generation that, um, I think saw opportunity and seized it. That was, that was sort of what happened. And this is, so when you say we see an opportunity, uh, we say yes, we see a eve, we say yes, we get involved. I, I remember hearing the story of the guy that started kids club, whose name escapes me now, the, the chap from New York, Bill somebody or other, wasn't it?
Um, and he said that whole ministry started just because he saw a need. And he was like, Well, no. This, doing this, therefore I'll go and sort it out. And, um, he got involved in amazing things happened as a result. But there's a, there's a, I can hear a thousand people listening to the podcast going, Well, hang on a minute.
Does that not lead to burnout? But we almost wanna put safeguards around that statement, which I think you must find deeply frustrating.
Malcolm Morgan: Yes, I think the church could do much more than it's currently doing. Mm-hmm. , we've got the capacity to do more. Um, and I think every church is struggling with volunteers to get on doing the church work, the the kids work, the Christ work at at present, but there's a hurting world outside and perhaps our focus needs to be more outward looking and.
for me. You know, one of the guys in the church had, I want us to visit all the houses in the estate so they know, need to make our, our name known that they know what St. Andrews doing. We said, Yeah, let's do it. And to gathered a team together, 12 of them, and they go out knocking in every door in the estate introducing themselves and what the church is doing and how we can we help them.
And it's some brilliant conversations. So I think it just needs a good team around you. And yes, you, you need your rest, you need your recovery time. It is tiring. Um, but it's the, it's for what's ahead of you, you know, it's, um, I mean,
Trish Morgan: maybe people these days don't want the inconvenience and, you know, um, people choose these days.
It is a choose, isn't it? And then a choice. And we're, we're, we're in a sort of a consumer culture. Um, and there's other things that take people's attention away from, from church and whereas maybe 20, 30 years. You could have thought, oh, you'll burn yourself out cause you're doing too much for church. I don't know if that's the same anymore.
Mm-hmm. , I think people might burn themselves out doing life because they're too busy trying to spin too many plates. Yeah. We do need to make a decision. We made a decision, um, that there was some things that we weren't gonna do anymore. Um, so that we could, you know, easy, a little bit easier on our kids and on our family.
But we didn't come so drastically down that we felt we weren't serving the kingdom and we weren't following what God wanted in our lives. And, um, for us it has been sacrifice. Um, it has been inconvenient. It hasn't always been easy. Um, but I, I wouldn't trade it for the world because. For what we have gained and what we see.
Um, I think everything has been worth it.
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah. I think that scripture, isn't it? Store up yourselves. Treasures in heaven. Yeah. Yeah. And that's to do with what we do and how we serve the kingdom.
Trish Morgan: So yeah. I hope that's a jacuzzi because like, I'm really hoping. Gold and crusty
Matt Edmundson: jacuzzi. God, I just wanna slide down the streets in my socks.
That's all I'm saying. I just wanna, I just wanna go and keep on going. Um, Bizarre . So. . I, I find for me, one of the constant challenges in life with what I do, cuz I, I run a church, but I run a business, you know, and I, I, I'm, I feel like I'm juggling 25,000 plates sometimes. And that's just the nature of God's call on my life.
And, okay, I'm, I'm, it's, but I find sometimes I'm offer, I often pursue a lifestyle rather than pursuing God. Now what I mean by that is I spend a lot of my time, some would say quite rightly, focused on paying the mortgage. For a bigger, better house or a bigger, better car or all that sort of stuff, and you become so embroiled in that, that you.
That you almost stop pursuing God and pursuing God becomes quite difficult to do and that, and then that leads to the statements of why I'm, I'm getting burnt out. I, I can't do home group tonight because, you know, life over here. This pursuit of, I'm doing me wrong. I appreciate that life is hectic and crazy and busyness.
I'm not saying it's to condemn people. I'm saying it because it's a challenge to me often. What am I pursuing? Am I pursuing lifestyle? What am I pursuing, God? And those choices to deliberately downgrade my lifestyle, to create capacity and space to pursue God. Yeah. And not easy decisions to make at the time, but they are life giving over a period of time, right?
Trish Morgan: Absolutely. Yeah. I, And you know, we say this, you cannot outgive God in time, talent, or treasure. You can. Um, and we have known that throughout our lives. And, um, you think, Oh, you know, can I afford the time? Well, yeah, you can actually, if you pursue God, you pursue his kingdom, God will give that time back to you and then you really enjoy the rest when it comes.
And rest is important. We're not saying go full throttle a hundred percent seven days a week, but not everybody needs their moment where they take a breath and they rest. Um, and we've learned
Matt Edmundson: how do you guys do that? How do you guys do sabbath? ,
Trish Morgan: Uh, we, we tend to go our way for a day if we can get out from the city.
Um, we try to be very good about our phones not answering them or leaving them and that kind of stuff, um, because that's not helpful. It's distracting at times. Um, so we tend to do that. Or if we, we stay here, we'll go for a walk, we do, you know, we try and do something which is delibertely. More restful than, you know, work.
Malcolm Morgan: We, we value the day off in the week that we get. Yeah. And we treasure that and make sure we do rest.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Brilliant. Can I ask you a question about your book? I'm aware of time, so I wanna get my question in. So I was reading through your book, which arrived the other day, so I have to be honest, I've not read the whole thing, but I'm, I'm sucked in Trish.
Yeah. Next down you. Um, so, uh, and just to plug the book, Higher Highs, Deeper Sees My Faith Adventures by Trish Morgan. You can, I got this on Amazon. Arrive the next day. So I'm just gonna read a section here which says I believe in miracles. Uh, in, uh, in my mid eight, I won't get into what that is. I also recount stories like the times I met influential politicians for instant meeting Martin McGinnis just before in, uh, in capital letters.
That handshake, uh, with her Majesty the Queen in 2011. This is the bit I wanna ask you about spending a day with David Beckham, filming with the BBC for a show called Live and Kicking, which featured my two kids is up there as an amazing story too. And then you go into a paragraph, uh, which doesn't explain the David Beckham thing.
So I'm like, Hang on a minute, , It's probably about David Beckham.
Trish Morgan: That's the prelude you've just read. Is it? That's the prelude,
Malcolm Morgan: Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Edmundson: Not there's a chapter in the book. Yeah. That's that's Does it come later?
Tease?
Trish Morgan: Yeah, it comes later. Oh yeah. Is it? It's in the chapter of Lincoln. It's called Lincoln, David Beckham and the bbc, The book story, Remarkable stories of how we've met, um, celebrities.
Oh yeah. Page 33. Okay. and um, you know, I mean, yeah. And um, you know, you said something at the very beginning and you're absolutely right. We are just everyday people. There's nothing special about Malcolm Me at all. And everyday people can have extraordinary moments. Mm-hmm. , it's as simple as that. That's what High Heart Deeper Seas is all about.
Um, and you know, sometimes he. Given us incredible opportunities to stand in front of very influential people and just, you know, feel the prod, Go on, say it, you know. Um, and other times, um, we sat with the most broken of people who have absolutely nothing. Um, in a, in a camp, in a tent, in, in Greece, and either wherever that is, whatever we are doing, we have been very content.
To do what God has called us to do wherever that is. Um, and so, yeah, so yeah, the book is quite a a Smorgs board of Stories and Events, and at the very end there's a QR code, and if you scan your camera over the QR code, it'll take you to a Dropbox of photos. To just back up everything we have said, there's.
I've almost Oh, fantastic. So there we go. Yeah, I, In case you think in case of, I've been on a bit of a delusional trip, ,
Malcolm Morgan: think it was Heidi Baker from Mozambique who said, Just be Jesus to the next person you meet. And we've tried to follow that. Yeah. And um, you know, for in a restaurant and you know, the waitress serving us.
The names, we'll ask the names, get conversation and find out about them and offer to pray for them. That's, you know, easy to do. That's appropriately, That's appropriate. Yeah.
Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Oh, fantastic. Those opportunities. Yeah, absolutely. Well, let me say that you guys have been, uh, absolute legends and I'd love to get, I'd love getting to know you over the years and I've always been super, super inspired by you guys.
So thank you for coming onto the podcast. If people wanna connect with you, if they wanna reach out, how, what's the best way to reach Trisha Mount Morgan? Yeah.
Trish Morgan: Um, the best way probably is by email. There's a great adventures in god gmail.com. That's one way of getting hold of us. And then really find me on Facebook.
It's Trish Morgan, singer songwriter and other titles . Um, yeah, find, find this on Facebook that way. Um, that's probably the best. You will listen to any of my music, cuz you know, we've alluded to me being in a band and songwriting. You can get me on Spotify, you can find me on YouTube. You know, all those places where I don't get paid very much, but yeah, ,
Matt Edmundson: But go anyway and have a look,
Trish Morgan: be, be that person that gives me not point, not three of a penny, but I'm not being
Matt Edmundson: Excellent. And of course it goes without saying. If you are in bath or Bath, go visit St. Andrews, please. Absolutely. You
Trish Morgan: have a welcome, welcome. And yeah. And um, we do Miss Frontline Church in Liverpool. And, um, all the friends that we made, Period of time and, and you met that pioneered the Crowd Church. Um, we just love the DNA of those people.
Mm-hmm. and when we were in Greece, we felt very well supported and cheered on by them. Um, so yeah, we are now in a different season in a different city, but we still feel a heart connection to you guys.
Matt Edmundson: Thank you. Oh, bless you. No, it's great. Let me ask you one final question, which I forgot to ask before I asked how people get in touch with you.
Um, imagine for a minute, , right? You're at the Oscars, you get your big award, the crowds are cheering. Everyone's going, Malc, Yeah, yeah. Trish go, go, go, go, go. Uh, and you say you, you open a piece of paper and you would say, I would like to thank, I don't know, a family member, mentor, authors podcast, whatever it is.
Who do you think and why?
Malcolm Morgan: Uh, what a question. Over the years it's been various people who've spoken into our lives. Um, we've been under some amazing pastors, John Harding at Frontline. Church has one of them just been so supportive of us. Um,
Trish Morgan: I did in the book, I have actually done a thank you list because it is hard once you start saying thank you to one person, you think, Oh, I didn't say thank you to them.
Yeah. Um, there are plenty of people we could honestly stand and say thank you, thank you, thank you. Um, we've had an amazing Prayer support of people. We had amazing, um, trustees of the charity that we ended. Um, starting lp, The Hope UK was a charity, um, that supported us all the way through our Greek time.
We had trustees for that. They were incredible. So, you know, we've got a big shout out to many people. I would, I would love to, you know, I dedicated the book to the memory of my parents. Both of them are now in heaven, um, but also, you know, to our grandchildren. But my kids were amazing in letting Malcolm and I go.
All these years and do the adventure that we've had. We've obviously, as Matt said, they came with us for the first 18 years, but we went on after that and, um, we're grateful for the fact that they, they just let us, were so open handed and let us be the mum and dad that weren't necessarily the people that lived around the corner.
So there's a lot of people to thank, isn't there, And, and we're just grateful for all the different people at the. Times of our lives walk a journey with us. And some have walked a journey now with us for a very, very long time. So I hopefully I've honored those people in the book and in every chapter when you see, you think, Oh, you know, so yeah.
Matt Edmundson: Fantastic. Fantastic. Well, Malcolm, Trish, thank you so much for joining us here on
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Faith, Uh, and I don't want you to miss any of them, and in case no one has told you yet today, dear listener, Uh oh. Wrong screen. Let's try that one. There we go. You are awesome. Yes, you are. Now, what's the story is produced by Crowd Church. You can find our entire archive of episodes on your favorite podcast app.
The team that makes this show possible is Sadaf Beynon, George McCague, Josh Catchpole, Estella Robin and Tim Johnson. Our theme song was written by Josh Edmundson, and as I said, the transcript and show notes are available online at Crowd dot Church Now. That's it from me. That's it from Malcolm. Trish, thank you so much for joining us.
It has been an absolute pleasure. I will see you next time. Bye.